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    Quote Originally Posted by colt565 View Post
    I don't think we signed the Hague accords but we seem to follow them anyway. We won't adopt anything that NATO doesn't adopt. 556 is here to stay unfortunately. The 68 would be a better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVHunter1s1k View Post
    I'd say110-115gr would be a good balance of speed & momentum. 120gr ain't shabby either.
    That was the original intent according to quite a few sites retelling the development with people named Holland and Murray. They wanted something that hit harder from the short barrel M4, yet moved faster than the 7.62 x 39..

    Quote Originally Posted by bedlamite View Post
    This, but it's not likely to ever happen.
    I am not going to lose sleep on it. However, the suggestion of General Mattis for SECDEF brings it right back on the table. He will not be guided by politics when he says to do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    That was the original intent according to quite a few sites retelling the development with people named Holland and Murray. They wanted something that hit harder from the short barrel M4, yet moved faster than the 7.62 x 39..



    I am not going to lose sleep on it. However, the suggestion of General Mattis for SECDEF brings it right back on the table. He will not be guided by politics when he says to do something.
    This is one of the reasons for the development of the 6.8 SPC which was proven to be more effective than the current 5.56 round or the 7.62 x 39 however DOD shelved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgreed View Post
    This is one of the reasons for the development of the 6.8 SPC which was proven to be more effective than the current 5.56 round or the 7.62 x 39 however DOD shelved it.

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    There was a Marine Corps Times article stating General Mattis wanted it, but the DoD said no. Have you seen that article? I am hoping he revisits the issue of under powered ammo in exchange for firepower. There is an effective medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    There was a Marine Corps Times article stating General Mattis wanted it, but the DoD said no. Have you seen that article? I am hoping he revisits the issue of under powered ammo in exchange for firepower. There is an effective medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgreed View Post
    This is one of the reasons for the development of the 6.8 SPC which was proven to be more effective than the current 5.56 round or the 7.62 x 39 however DOD shelved it.

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    Source of this info? Are you saying it isn't currently in use in sandbox/sh*holes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixDemonBag View Post
    Source of this info? Are you saying it isn't currently in use in sandbox/sh*holes?
    I would assume he meant the M855A1 replacing the M855 green tip.


 

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