Bloomberg is right they need better gun control in new york!!

[jdgilbert]

Three of the civilians were direct hits, the others were fragments. People need to realise that bullets don't stop dead when they hit a person or object, the bullet, fragments, jacket, etc. can go in any direction. Hollywood is the single worst source of firearms-related information in the world, the mass media makes it worse when they report things the way they do. Neither officer was shooting wildly, but they are shooting at a live target that is trying to return fire and is moving unpredictably.

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[OC455]

Trust me, you can train, train, train, and do more training until your ass falls out, but until you are faced with the real life situation, everyone is going to react different. I agree that training in LE could be a little better, but even if we had more and better training, nothing is going to really prepare us for the real thing. I've seen excellent shooters fail miserably when placed in stressful situations and thankfully that was just in training. I've learned that just as important as training (shooting), being in good shape is just as important, if not more.The thing we all need to keep in mind is that the officers didn't intentionally shoot the innocent people. If this turns out to be a training issue, then let's hope they learn from this and fix it.

This...I've seen the same thing. I've also seen middle of the road shooters also pick up their game when stress induced scenarios are done too.

[ron169]

Also, remember, not all 9 were hit with direct fire, many with ricochets and bullet fragments. If i were hit, i would just want my medical villas paid, nothing else

[sop2510]

I never walked the walk, so I can't talk the talk. Shoulda, woulda, coulda won't solve the problem.

I expect Bloomberg to recommend taking the guns away from the police so this can never happen again.

[walt214]

Bloomberg doesn't recommend. He demands his subjects comply!

[WVHunter1s1k]

Bloomberg doesn't recommend. He demands his subjects comply!

Yep, that's Bloomberg!

[harris hawker]

what about frangible rounds?
there was a guy that use to sell rounds that desolved once it hit liquid.he had a picture of an accidental discharge in a guys home where the bullet went into the fridge and disolved in the milk.
i think in a high population area like manhatten, that is something to be considered.

really, the cops should have every advantage given to them to finish something like this quickly and accuratly, bottom line.
If i were there i would sue on the basis that the city or state didnt give the cops the propper tools to prevent this from happening. first i would pick the police gun apart to see if the gun could have been better made or modified. if it has a 10# pull it should be 3 to 5#, i am assuming they were using glocks, so they should have a laser pointer. would it cost more per a gun? sure, but would you rather pay $700 a gun, or settle one of these law suites for millions?! i bet the 1911 the guy had was probably better than what the cops had.

Cops put their lives on the line, and i think they need every advantage!! i will bet $100 these cops didnt have every advantage!
a couple hundred dollars more per a gun is cheap when compared to the cost of a funeral arangment!

[ron169]

what about frangible rounds?
there was a guy that use to sell rounds that desolved once it hit liquid.he had a picture of an accidental discharge in a guys home where the bullet went into the fridge and disolved in the milk.
i think in a high population area like manhatten, that is something to be considered.

really, the cops should have every advantage given to them to finish something like this quickly and accuratly, bottom line.
If i were there i would sue on the basis that the city or state didnt give the cops the propper tools to prevent this from happening. first i would pick the police gun apart to see if the gun could have been better made or modified. if it has a 10# pull it should be 3 to 5#, i am assuming they were using glocks, so they should have a laser pointer. would it cost more per a gun? sure, but would you rather pay $700 a gun, or settle one of these law suites for millions?! i bet the 1911 the guy had was probably better than what the cops had.

Cops put their lives on the line, and i think they need every advantage!! i will bet $100 these cops didnt have every advantage!
a couple hundred dollars more per a gun is cheap when compared to the cost of a funeral arangment!

Tangible rounds might be good for that situation, but not all situations. Street cops carry all purpose rounds for a reason. Yes, the NY trigger sucks, but they have their reasons for them, chief being that they can say that the cop meant to pull the trigger. Laser pointers are pointless, most shoutouts l last Les than 3 second and 1.5 seconds is spent with the cop reacting and drawing their guns. 95% of shoutouts wouldn't have a chance to line up laser site.