Triggers - observations and opinions wanted

[BradB]

I have several AR builds on Stag and LMT lowers. I understand that this does not qualify me as an expert but bare with me.
Regarding replacement triggers and using what I will call a two piece unit, rather than the self contained drop in type, I get mixed results based on the lower receiver's FCG pin location tolerances. I recently experimented with some RRA NM triggers and a Jard adjustable single stage unit. Moving the same RRA trigger group between 3 different lowers yielded very different results in takeup feel (first stage) and creep in the second stage. One lower/trigger combo has a perfect feel to me. Other combinations had mixed results even after switching them around. One Stag lower did not work well with any of the RRA triggers or the Jard trigger. It appears the pin hole locations are too close together and possibly not parallel to each other. For me, attempting a "drop in" trigger upgrade (without fitting) using a 2 piece unit has proven to be a crap shoot. I can now better understand how people can have such varying opinions on this type of FCG.
With that said I am looking for a self contained drop in unit for my current build. I like the fact that they are built with their own integral pivots and are factory set making them true "drop in". What I don't like is dropping that kind of money on something I can't hold in my hands first to see if I like it.
Looking at the Wilson Combat TTU 2 stage. Does anyone have one?
I like 2 stage better in a semi auto but the first stage must be light & smooth and the second stage needs to be crisp.

[marinesg1012]

I prefere the Geissel's I think they make a drop in, I have used the DMR's and the Match... IMHO they are the best trigger I have used in a AR.

[Maryland_Shooter]

I have several AR builds on Stag and LMT lowers. I understand that this does not qualify me as an expert but bare with me. Regarding replacement triggers and using what I will call a two piece unit, rather than the self contained drop in type, I get mixed results based on the lower receiver's FCG pin location tolerances.

I recently experimented with some RRA NM triggers and a Jard adjustable single stage unit. Moving the same RRA trigger group between 3 different lowers yielded very different results in takeup feel (first stage) and creep in the second stage.

One lower/trigger combo has a perfect feel to me. Other combinations had mixed results even after switching them around. One Stag lower did not work well with any of the RRA triggers or the Jard trigger. It appears the pin hole locations are too close together and possibly not parallel to each other.

For me, attempting a "drop in" trigger upgrade (without fitting) using a 2 piece unit has proven to be a crap shoot. I can now better understand how people can have such varying opinions on this type of FCG.

With that said I am looking for a self contained drop in unit for my current build. I like the fact that they are built with their own integral pivots and are factory set making them true "drop in". What I don't like is dropping that kind of money on something I can't hold in my hands first to see if I like it.

Looking at the Wilson Combat TTU 2 stage. Does anyone have one? I like 2 stage better in a semi auto but the first stage must be light & smooth and the second stage needs to be crisp.

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OK, I have done lots of replacement triggers and have never found the issues you are having, but always the 2 piece type, I have never used a drop in though.

From your description, it would seem that the lowers - or some of them - are out of spec. That assumes you installed the triggers properly. It's pretty easy to get the springs wrong. I always have to refer to the DIY thread over at ARFCOM to make sure I get it right the first time. I have a Geissele that has creep in the first stage. I'll get around to adjusting it or asking Geissele for some advice.

Sorry I can't offer more advice, but I'd re-install the RRA 2 stage a few times to make sure you have it in correctly, but I am really having trouble imagining a few thousandths are affecting the trigger feel that much.

[DirectDrive]

I wouldn't use a RRA two-stage as a gauge for deciding whether or not I want conventional or drop-in style triggers.
Some can be good for thousands of rounds and yet others can become problematic after a few hundred.

I'm a conventional fan.....I like that original design concept.
The drop-ins are not for me....don't want pin retainers (E-clips, button heads, KNS, etc.) on the outside of the receiver.

[buddy]

I don't think you can go wrong with the TTU. I have a single stage that I have been very happy with but my experience with different triggers is very limited.

[RicMic]

I've got four on the RRA NM triggers now on three different brands of lowers and haven't seen the problem you discribe, to me its not a crap shoot with the trigger, its a matter of a out of spec.(defective) lower. To me the RRA is the most cost effective unit out there, to go up top the next level is more than twice the price. RRA did have some reliability problems YEARS ago, but those have long been fixed, people keep reporting them like its a current thing.

[Stack]

I like the RRA match 2 stage. I've built about 6 lowers using them. Best bang for the buck IMO. But, for my personal guns I only use the awesome 2 stage ATC AR Gold.
http://americantrigger.com/images/ARGOLD-fullsize.jpg
I'm slowly swapping out all my AR triggers to this unit and I aint lookin back. For me, anything else would be a compromise.

[346CI]

The RRA NM 2 stagers are my favorite for a budget trigger, I use them in mine and builds for friends.

I don't have a drop in unit though, been thinking of one of the TTUs but that is a lot of coin. I cringed when I bought my SSA-E, lol.

[WVHunter1s1k]

I just put in a JP Enterprises single stage (red/yellow spring) in my rig yesterday. It's a sweet one, it has 3 adjustments on it (overtravel, sear engagement, disconnector). I will say the disconnector timing & probably safety clearance(after adjustments) will need stone or grinder use. DVD & written instructions, long allen wrench & 2 sets of hammer springs (red or yellow) & 1 set of trigger spring [yellow] (disconnector spring too of course) included.

Edit: The red/yellow spring combo will shoot mil-spec primers, even with their speed hammer.

[BradB]

I like the RRA match 2 stage. I've built about 6 lowers using them. Best bang for the buck IMO. But, for my personal guns I only use the awesome 2 stage ATC AR Gold.
http://americantrigger.com/images/ARGOLD-fullsize.jpg
I'm slowly swapping out all my AR triggers to this unit and I aint lookin back. For me, anything else would be a compromise.

Thanks for bringing up the AR Gold. I was wondering about them as well.
Does the second stage have any creep? They look like they are high quality.