300Blk Blacktip info

[Aspp]

Ok so I have been watching this caliber for a while now and the PD that I work closely with is debating on adding it to replace their CQC weapons (currently Fed surplus MP5s). So my interest has been high, but between a severe propaganda campain and some outright lies being told, the truth about how this round is performing is muddied. Most incredable are the claims about the Barns 110grn Blacktip bullet. So I emailed Barnes asking them some questions about the bullet, load, and to verify the claims one of their affilates is making about it.

Here are the FACTS that I have been given from Barnes:
Ballistic Coefficent of .289
Min expansion velocity of 1300fps
Target muzzle velocity of 2200-2400fps
Recomended load: 18.2gr-20.2gr of H110 with a COAL of 2.25

Barnes CLAIMS (but has not shown any proof) that the Blacktip will penitrate 20" of gel and fully expand at 300yds from a 9" barreled rifle with a muzzle velocity between 2150 and 2200. They have also told me that a 5" barreled rifle will penitrate 17" at 300yds and fully expand.

I do not want this thread to digress into a 300vs6.8 or 300vs7.62x39 argument, I also dont want any 300 bashing. My point in doing this, and starting this thread is to bring as much un-biased information to light as I can. I do not have a 300blk rifle, and at the moment do not have plans on getting one, so I am eather the worst person to be doing this or the best. I do not know. I understand that this is a forum dedicated to the 6.8, but I dont think that I could get an un-biased, and accurate, thread going on any of the other forums after witnessing some of the....incidents... that happen on them. So please try to keep it constructive/informative posts if you will.

Now, what I am looking for is any additional information anyone cares to share on the cartrage, or bullet, and verifiable proof for any claims made. Mods please feel free to delete posts that dont follow the layout I set above.

Thanks,
Jace S.

Update- Here are some brass making videos, thanks 4damascus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1OKd1vn_dQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rpx5...eature=related

[68WJ]

I do not want this thread to digress into a 300vs6.8 or 300vs7.62x39 argument, I also dont want any 300 bashing. My point in doing this, and starting this thread is to bring as much un-biased information to light as I can. I do not have a 300blk rifle, and at the moment do not have plans on getting one, so I am eather the worst person to be doing this or the best. I do not know. I understand that this is a forum dedicated to the 6.8, but I dont think that I could get an un-biased, and accurate, thread going on any of the other forums after witnessing some of the....incidents... that happen on them. So please try to keep it constructive/informative posts if you will.

I have nothing to add since I don't have one nor have shot one. I just wanted to quote the above.

[RugerIte]

Is this about the 110 .300 BO made specifically for the 300 BO? Or is it general 300 BO ammo? Just wondering is all. --- I guess Fire Fox 13 even has BIG WALL OF TEXT SYNDROME again...

[Aspp]

Is this about the 110 .300 BO made specifically for the 300 BO? Or is it general 300 BO ammo? Just wondering is all. --- I guess Fire Fox 13 even has BIG WALL OF TEXT SYNDROME again...

Any 300blk info is welcome, as long as it is true. I was giving what information I had on the Blacktip since there was so little un-biased info out there, but more would be great!

[angsniper]

I have started the timer.....

[HTR]

I have started the timer.....

Jace,

I have been testing the .300 BLK, along with other calibers, for about 4 months now. Most of this has been done with the 220 SMK, but I already had experience with that load, from my precious use of .300 Whisper.

I have some of the .300 BLK Barnes-loaded 110 TTSX LOV (low-opening velocity) and I have not had time yet to test them. I promised Barnes I would do some of my usual tests on them, to include shooting hogs, but I am interested to see what they will do on wall board, pine boards and such. I will check back in over the next few weeks, as I have my .300 BLK upper put together and have been shooting it with day optics.

I'm already impressed with Barnes bullets, and I expect these to perform well, especially if the task were for a CQB rifle to replace an existing arsenal of SMG's. for that purpose, suppressed, I think the BLK has a niche, and would clearly be superior to say 9mm in that role.

I have pretty high expectations of these bullets, but you're right that there is not much data out there yet. Trust me when I say that Barnes is not one to inflate the performance of their products. I have come to respect them highly as a company, so these should be great.

[Aspp]

Jace,

I have been testing the .300 BLK, along with other calibers, for about 4 months now. Most of this has been done with the 220 SMK, but I already had experience with that load, from my precious use of .300 Whisper.

I have some of the .300 BLK Barnes-loaded 110 TTSX LOV (low-opening velocity) and I have not had time yet to test them. I promised Barnes I would do some of my usual tests on them, to include shooting hogs, but I am interested to see what they will do on wall board, pine boards and such. I will check back in over the next few weeks, as I have my .300 BLK upper put together and have been shooting it with day optics.

I'm already impressed with Barnes bullets, and I expect these to perform well, especially if the task were for a CQB rifle to replace an existing arsenal of SMG's. for that purpose, suppressed, I think the BLK has a niche, and would clearly be superior to say 9mm in that role.

I have pretty high expectations of these bullets, but you're right that there is not much data out there yet. Trust me when I say that Barnes is not one to inflate the performance of their products. I have come to respect them highly as a company, so these should be great.

Thank you for all the work you do HTR! I fully agree with you on the CQB rifle aspect of the round, since the first time I started looking into this round thats what I saw its nitch as, and thats what the data is showing. I hope that you share your finding with us here, and I look forward to all the gory pictures!!!

Barnes produces some good products, the only reason why I will not believe them whole heartedly on the claims is that they will not publish it, or show the testing at all. Thats why I listed the information passed on to me as CLAIMS and not facts. In my past experiances with them, their claims have been true, or very close, and thats why I listed them in my opening post. And that is the only reason they are there, there are many other claims out there of the 300blk doing amazing things, and once someone shows it is possible, it is welcome to be posted here, but until then they can be muddy water on other forums. I am trying to shine a light through all this, and hopefully help some un-informed individuals to make educated decisions about this round and end a lot of the debating.

ps. Sorry about my spelling, I am working on it. For some reason my brouser crashes every time I try to use the spell check, thinkin its something in my softwear. I will work on it.

[BradL45]

I shoot the 300 Blackout in 16 inch, 9 inch and 8.5 inch barrels, all on the AR15 platform.

The longer Blackout specific projectiles have worked GREAT for me(125OTM and 110 Blacktip), some pulled bullets have jammed on me in the past, the 130 SOST has been the worst offender. I've not had a FTF or any jams with the Blacktip.

Reloading:

The Blacktip loads to 2400 fps easy with H110 and Lilgun powder.

The same load shooting 2400 fps in a 16 inch, shoots 2100 fps in my 8.5 inch barrel.

Accuracy testing reloads the 16 inch barrel, I'm averaging just over 1 inch 5 shot groups at 100M.

Recoil is mild vs a 6.8, but power levels are down vs the 6.8.

Factory loads, 2390 fps, 85 deg. 5500ft, measured 6 inchs from the muzzle from Magnetospeed chrony(easiest chrony I've used).
85 TSX TAC from an ARP 16 inch barrel 3008 FPS

2 liter bottles suck to try to recover a shot bullet, 2 yotes complete pass throughs(DRT), I did have a jack run off, blood trail to a hole in the ground, they need 50 gr Vmaxes from a 26 inch 223 anyways.

I'm a fan of Barnes Bullets, hats off to them for making Projectiles fit different calibers velocity's envelope(110 TTSX fror the 7.62x40WT, 95 TTSX for the 6.8, etc.).

I also await more testing and user reports to come out. I've got some range time in July, 200M testing, and more chrony work 300 BLK, 6.8 and 264 gARP.

[Ratdog68]

I have started the timer.....

LOL, not too optimistic here.

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[BradL45]

LOL, not too optimistic here.

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The fuse is present, but not yet lit!