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    I give the guy a lot of credit, to me at least he seemed to do a pretty damn good job keeping his cool. I'm on board with the "I'm not sure I could have done that until I have done it," and to be frank, doubt I would have done as well. I think I should bump up my time frame on switching from a 5" 1911 to a 4", I seem to be much better at getting on target with the shorter barrel. Kind of puts a kink in my plan to convert my 5" to 460 Rowland for hunting backup after getting a 4" carry gun though....

    Also, after a poor shot on one of my hogs (375 Ruger high through the rear hips) I also did essentially a mag dump of .45 ACP into the pig. It's difficult to say when nerves took over and death began, but it was NOT after the first few shots I can say that much... I didn't exactly do an autopsy but those 45 rounds just seemed to disappear into piles of hog, I don't know what happened LOL.


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    I LIKE that combo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 68Shooter View Post
    I give the guy a lot of credit, to me at least he seemed to do a pretty damn good job keeping his cool. I'm on board with the "I'm not sure I could have done that until I have done it," and to be frank, doubt I would have done as well. I think I should bump up my time frame on switching from a 5" 1911 to a 4", I seem to be much better at getting on target with the shorter barrel. Kind of puts a kink in my plan to convert my 5" to 460 Rowland for hunting backup after getting a 4" carry gun though....

    Also, after a poor shot on one of my hogs (375 Ruger high through the rear hips) I also did essentially a mag dump of .45 ACP into the pig. It's difficult to say when nerves took over and death began, but it was NOT after the first few shots I can say that much... I didn't exactly do an autopsy but those 45 rounds just seemed to disappear into piles of hog, I don't know what happened LOL.




    I LIKE that combo!
    This is truly the thread that keeps on giving!

    Unfortunately, many of us (at least those not in law enforcement) have too high an opinion of what their favorite hip-carried biped blaster can accomplish. Although perfectly capable of putting down a broadside, un-alerted, animal munching contentedly on its favorite veggies, pistols are not the best choice when the animal is aware, mad or scared, and charging head on.

    Wild animals such as pigs and bears are not the same as a perp robbing the local 7-11 store or breaking into your home because he heard you have a stash of medical weed. A human, unless full of chemicals, will usually stop when shot because they don't want to be shot again. Shooting to stop an alerted, scared, or just angry animal weighing 200-400 pounds is not going to be a slam-dunk success with a pistol. Compared to a rifle, especially one as capable as a 6.8 AR, any pistol is anemic in energy, damage potential, and penetration. It is also vastly more difficult to shoot accurately under stress, making quality shots on an animal intending to smash you into the ground problematic, to say the least.

    I am a devoted fan of any pistol cartridge starting with a 4 or 10 in its nomenclature. I carry a 45 ACP when in town, and a 10 mm when in the Oregon Coast Range. I have no illusions that either one would have stopped that pig if not already wounded, or a black bear protecting her cubs. Killed, yes! Stopped before hurting me? No way. And especially no way when equipped with self defense hollowpoints designed to meet the FBI criteria for use against 160 pound bipeds. They will not penetrate deeply enough to cause an immediate stop.

    Look carefully at the bear anatomy shown earlier, or the pig in the video. Any shot to stop a determined head-on charge has to penetrate deeply through wire-like hair, thick skin, muscle, and maybe bone before it reaches the heart or lungs. A brain shot has to penetrate thick skull bone. Look at the way the pig is carrying its head down low to the ground. Not only is the skull thick, but it's sloped so that a bullet will strike it at an angle of about 45-60 degrees. This is the way tank armor is built! A bullet hitting the skull will either be deflected away from the brain, or will encounter 50 per cent more bone thickness because of the angle.

    Deep penetration from heavy non-expanding bullets will help, but the bottom line is, as others have stated earlier, keep shooting with the rifle. Larn to quickly clear malfunctions, and practice reloading drills.

    Look at the pistol as an emergency, last resort weapon when being charged by an animal. Or as slightly better than a rock if it’s all you have.
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    Excellent example of keeping your cool. My hat is off to this gent!I was out hunting with my dad a few years back and on the way out of the woods a boar we suprised charged dad from about 30 yd. Dad got his side arm out (9mm) and a shot off. That single round went through both the legs on the pigs left side and it went down. I always carry a 45. The only down side is it has an 8 round mag.Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by frysl View Post
    Excellent example of keeping your cool. My hat is off to this gent!I was out hunting with my dad a few years back and on the way out of the woods a boar we suprised charged dad from about 30 yd. Dad got his side arm out (9mm) and a shot off. That single round went through both the legs on the pigs left side and it went down. I always carry a 45. The only down side is it has an 8 round mag.Steve
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    Strange sound...is it just my laptop speakers or did the pig sound like a pig and the .45 sound like a supressed or a very reduced load 9mm?
    Also is there any explanation regarding why he wasnt still deploying his long arm when the pig was at 75yds and closing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by walt214 View Post
    *snip*
    Look at the pistol as an emergency, last resort weapon when being charged by an animal. Or as slightly better than a rock if it’s all you have.
    This +10.

    At least for hunters, LEO/MIL may be slightly different, but I doubt its all that much different. I pack a pistol when Im hunting mostly as a mercy finisher/snake killer. My handload .357s are a hell of a lot cheaper than most of my rifle rounds, so I dont feel bad about using it on something that I cant get close enough too to cut a jugglar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walt214 View Post
    This is truly the thread that keeps on giving!

    ..many of us....have too high an opinion of what their favorite hip-carried biped blaster can accomplish. Although perfectly capable of putting down a broadside, un-alerted, animal munching contentedly on its favorite veggies, pistols are not the best choice when the animal is aware, mad or scared, and charging head on.
    A guy walks into a..... saloon....in TX.

    Lady behind the bar notices he is wearing pistols and comments:
    "I see you're wearing pistols. Are you expecting trouble?”
    Man responds:
    “No Ma’am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.”


    A good, humorous and wise teaching story that has stuck with me over the years. : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdDuMet View Post
    A guy walks into a..... saloon....in TX.

    Lady behind the bar notices he is wearing pistols and comments:
    "I see you're wearing pistols. Are you expecting trouble?”
    Man responds:
    “No Ma’am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.”


    A good, humorous and wise teaching story that has stuck with me over the years. : )
    I heard the story as a Texas Ranger who said " If I was expecting trouble I would have brought a shotgun."

    My thinking is pistols are to help me fight my way to a rifle.
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