Reply With QuoteWell there goes that idea. In the long run, as long as the bullet goes straight who cares. Is it mid June yet.
I would be concerned also about fluting after the barrel had been stress relieved.Originally Posted by Firearrow
Even if the barrel were not melonite coated you would still have consider going through another stress relieve cycle after fluting the barrel.
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Well there goes that idea. In the long run, as long as the bullet goes straight who cares. Is it mid June yet.
Last edited by Firearrow; 04-26-2012 at 10:56 AM.
If your having trouble keeping product on the shelf, then obviously, your products are popular. The 18 in hunting barrel sounds great. How about a little more options tho. 20, 22, even 24. Likely not alot of guys wanting those length barrels, but for someone looking for max velocity and energy downrange, i.e., a hunting gun, a longer barrel would be interesting.
How much more time does it take to make a 20-24 in barrel than the 18?
A manufacturer is not going to make barrel lengths in 6.8 for which there would be minimal demand.
Because powder burn rate is much faster in a 6.8 you can achieve excellent efficiency in a 16" barrel for hunting at the effective range of 325yds or less. The small velocity advantage of a barrel longer than 20" would not offset the added weight and poor handling / balance of an extended barrel.
Look at some of the barrels lengths now used for hunting hogs, particularly with suppressors and many are in the 10.5 to 12.5" range. Yet they are still deadly out beyond 200 yds.
I started with a 20" 6.8 barrel, then 18" barrel and now hunt exclusively with 16" barrels and feel I give up little in velocity or energy in exchange for better balance and point ability. The 18" and 20" uppers collect dust in the safe. The last big buck I killed with a 16" barrel was a measured 253 yds. He didn't know the difference between a 16" barrel or a 24" barrel.
IMO...A barrel longer than 20" is a solution to a hunting problem that doesn't exist. And a barrel manufacturer is not going to stock a low demand barrel length when he can sell 500 or more 16" barrels for every 24" barrel.
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Some time ago, Savage announced it would be chambering the Model 10 Precision Carbine in 300 AAC Blackout. Since that time, we have tested many variants of this cartridge in various barrel lengths and rates of twist. This exhaustive testing left us quite unsatisfied with the accuracy we were able to get from the subsonic loads in this chambering. Accuracy with the lighter, faster loads in this caliber was actually quite good. But we believe the real value in this cartridge lies in the use of subsonic loads for suppressed rifles. Therefore we have decided to scrap the project.
It is our understanding that pushing these heavy, slow bullets presents challenges not found in typical loadings and that our experience is not unique. Subsequently, many in the industry have simply adopted a lower standard for accuracy for these subsonic loads. While this does seem reasonable and we don't criticize any in our industry that have taken this approach, it just won't work for Savage.
Our brand was built on accuracy and we are too protective of our reputation for building the most accurate factory rifles available. We would rather walk away from this opportunity than sell a product that requires an explanation.
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Another issue from a manufacturing standpoint is batch quantity.
If Harrison goes to a quality barrel manufacturer and has 500 barrels quoted, the barrel manufacturer will amortize his set-up, programming and tooling costs over 500 barrels. That large batch quantity allows a much more cost effective cost per barrel, allowing Harrison to sell a finished barrel at a reasonable dollar amount.
But if he knows he is only likely to sell (5) 24" barrels...in a YEAR then his quote from the barrel manufacturer is going to be much higher per barrel as the manufacturing cost is being amortized over only 1% as many units. That forces Harrison to charge a higher retail price on an already low demand item...just to cover his own costs.
In addition he is sitting on inventory of a barrel length that he may not sell for months, when he has to be able to turn his inventory many times per year to stay profitable.
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300 AAC Blackout Chambering Cancelled:
Some time ago, Savage announced it would be chambering the Model 10 Precision Carbine in 300 AAC Blackout. Since that time, we have tested many variants of this cartridge in various barrel lengths and rates of twist. This exhaustive testing left us quite unsatisfied with the accuracy we were able to get from the subsonic loads in this chambering. Accuracy with the lighter, faster loads in this caliber was actually quite good. But we believe the real value in this cartridge lies in the use of subsonic loads for suppressed rifles. Therefore we have decided to scrap the project.
It is our understanding that pushing these heavy, slow bullets presents challenges not found in typical loadings and that our experience is not unique. Subsequently, many in the industry have simply adopted a lower standard for accuracy for these subsonic loads. While this does seem reasonable and we don't criticize any in our industry that have taken this approach, it just won't work for Savage.
Our brand was built on accuracy and we are too protective of our reputation for building the most accurate factory rifles available. We would rather walk away from this opportunity than sell a product that requires an explanation.
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Agree, it took over 3 years to decide to offer a 20" and those 100 -20" barrels will probably take 3 months to sell when it only takes 2 weeks to sell 100 16".
I am trying to offer more barrels for those that do want different things but, in the end it is about flipping money and tying up several thousand dollars for long periods of time isn't a good plan on my part. Sorry, I must stick with products I can move fairly quickly.
This year is about a big change for me, I'm throwing a lot of money into barrels and getting stocked up. Different calibers and lengths from 12-20". Because of the problems with getting parts consistantly to build uppers I am cutting back on uppers and they will only be offered when all of the parts are set aside and on the shelf to build. Next fall when the pre-hunting season rush comes around I may only have 50 or 100 uppers available and those may be limited to VTAC and our SFR handguards. I'll try to hire help to run the CNCs and concentrate on machining thousands of bolts and muzzle devices. We'll see how the industrry moves this year.
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http://www.ar15performance.com/6_8_arp, He has at least one 20" in stock.
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What he really needs are thicker barrels, theyre more accurate. Sorry, I had to.
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