Federal Checkpoint today at the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel.

[Flatliner]

Just this morning DHS set up a surprise checkpoint at one of the busiest bridge tunnels in the country.

http://www.wvec.com/my-city/hampton/...=y&c=y&c=y&c=y

Not telling anyone about this made thousands of people late to work. But that's not the point. WHY ARE THERE FEDERAL CHECKPOINTS POPPING UP ON OUR INTERSTATES? The state police have jurisdiction here and our Virginia State Troopers do a fine job of patrolling the roads. I wanted to see where you guys are on this, because at first it was just airports. I asked my mother, a big time TSA agent, why should I have to give up my rights as a US Citizen to fly on an airplane. She said it was just a little give and take to ensure everyone's safety. I said, ok, I won't fly. Now, I haven't talked to her yet. But she's got some explaining to do. Supposedly there are to be 35 VIPER Teams conducting random illegal searches at random points across the country. Does anyone know where this will lead if left unchecked? I'm just asking because there are a lot of military and law enforcement on this board and you guys are in charge of keeping law breakers out of our states! Go back to the day you took the oath and remember why you took it. Will you stand aside while our rights are stripped one by one? Or will you talk about this stuff with people, make them aware, and let the higher ups know that you are not ok with this?

[coldair]

really not liking this

[68WJ]

really not liking this

I have no response to this situation that is not heavily political, so I will just quote coldair and say that I agree with him.

[TexasGlock23]

I hate Hampton Roads, I greatly hate that tunnel and stretch of highway, add in the checkpoint, you have tons of rage!

[sfsmedic]

First off you have no "right" to fly its a privilege as you are buying a ticket with a private company. No shoes no shirt no security no service. Secondly VIPRs where checking trucking companies and their shipping not private citizens (unless PC was displayed which is rare) so unless you're a trucker no one was searching your vehicle so get the facts straight. Yes it sucks that people were late but random checks and scheduling and notification means let the terrorist re route. Btw driving is a privilege to not a right.
TSA has control over all transportation not just flying btw. To include ports shipping, trucking etc so yes they were well within their jurisdiction.

Not taking a side just clarifying the muddy water.


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[Flatliner]

First off you have no "right" to fly its a privilege as you are buying a ticket with a private company. No shoes no shirt no security no service. Secondly VIPRs where checking trucking companies and their shipping not private citizens (unless PC was displayed which is rare) so unless you're a trucker no one was searching your vehicle so get the facts straight. Yes it sucks that people were late but random checks and scheduling and notification means let the terrorist re route. Btw driving is a privilege to not a right.
TSA has control over all transportation not just flying btw. To include ports shipping, trucking etc so yes they were well within their jurisdiction.

Not taking a side just clarifying the muddy water.


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Yes, I understand where you are coming from. However you still have constitutional rights against illegal search and seizure. Rights you have to give up in order to fly on an airplane now days. How can you dispute that? I cannot fly with a private company without giving up my right not to be searched by the federal government. My mom has worked for TSA since 02'. Trust me, I've heard all the excuses. And to say that TSA has control over all methods of transportation is the exact reason the TSA needs a reevaluation. For one federal agency to have that much unchecked power is a travesty to everything our country was founded upon.

[sfsmedic]

Ok this will get ugly I can already tell it but here is what many for some reason can't grasp.

Flying is a privilege so you enter into a contract with the private company selling the privilege to fly to you. Part f that contract states you will submit to a search for contraband. The government has a contract with the private company saying that if we let you operate in the airspace as a company you must abide by these rules. Like have passengers submit to search blah blah.

If it was your right to fly and not a privilege then it would be illegal search and seizure but when you buy that ticket you agree (making it legal) to a TSA administrative search. YOU AGREED! Making it not illegal.


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[68WJ]

Ok this will get ugly I can already tell it but here is what many for some reason can't grasp.

Flying is a privilege so you enter into a contract with the private company selling the privilege to fly to you. Part f that contract states you will submit to a search for contraband. The government has a contract with the private company saying that if we let you operate in the airspace as a company you must abide by these rules. Like have passengers submit to search blah blah.

If it was your right to fly and not a privilege then it would be illegal search and seizure but when you buy that ticket you agree (making it legal) to a TSA administrative search. YOU AGREED! Making it not illegal.


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Yes sir, that is correct!

These be deep waters. Let's keep this thread open by staying out of the political side of this topic. There are facts that can be discussed and people can learn, just keep it out of the gutter.

[sfsmedic]

BTW TSA only has administrative rights they do not have law enforcement privileges unless you are dealing with the TSA/OLE (office of law enforcement) which would be the Air Marshals who btw do have various jurisdictions out of the air (it was a poor name choice).


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[Flatliner]

This doesn't need to get ugly man. I've debated my mom on this for years. The problem here lies where the government basically yanked the necks of the airlines forcing them to abide by their rules. TSA basically interjected themselves into the contract with no input from the consumer. I guess the government knows whats best for me. That's why I don't fly. I vote with my dollars. TSA (in my eyes) from the conception is nothing but a giant federal power grab designed to undermine states borders, states rights, human rights, the bill of rights and condition the general public to be submissive. That is why they invade your privacy if you refuse to submit to a full body scan at the airport. Invasive pat downs (from my eyes) were designed to breakdown the human psyche much like a drill instructor breaks down a new marine to build him back up. Keep your head down, shut up, and take it, the new America fellas.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that I'm not stark raving mad. I've read SFSMedic's posts on the forum for about a year now. I really like the guy. This is in no way meant to be personal, political, or ugly in any way. I am simply just trying to shed some light on a touchy, underdiscussed subject.