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    Default Post your training drills and results!!!!!

    Lets start this thread with what drills you are using for either combat training or competition training and what your results are.

    1. Post what drill you are doing and what your particular times are for that drill
    2. Make subsequent posts showing the same drill and times to see if you have done better or worse. ( dont worry about doing worse we all have bad days and that is why we continue to train)
    3. in your first post state what sport or classification you are in or training for.
    4. If you change your classification or add a new one then post that as well on your next range entry post.


    This will change and be updated as it is a relatively new concept. I think it would be a good idea for seeing what others are doing and get new ideas on what we could work on.
    Here is some data from one drill I ran the El Presidente:
    Definition of El Presidente is:

    3 targets set up at varying height ( all these were between 4' to 6' high to top of target) spaced about 4'-5' apart. ON buzzer engage each target with 2 shots, change mag and engage each target with 2 shots again. What this works on is target transition and aquisition as well as speed reloading. All mag reloads are done from a belt. All 1st shots were from low ready.
    So here goes my first one:

    El presidente rifle: 7yds
    string:
    1. 1st shot 1.23s, split times: .17, total: 7.30
    2. 1st shot 1.40, split: .17 total: 7.86
    3. 1st shot 1.20, split .17, total: 7.72 ( moved to 10 yards)
    4. 1st shot 1.29, split .16, total: 6.92
    5. 1st shot 1.30, split .16, total: 6.92
    6. 1st shot 1.16, split .18, total: 10.92 ( moved to 15 yards, had a malfunction on mag)

    Pistol El Presidente: ( All 1st shots were from holster draw) starting at 7 yards
    string:
    1. 1st shot:1.79, split .26, total: 12.16 ( had miss feed with mag)
    2. 1st shot: 1.71, split .25, total: 7.78
    3. 1st shot: 1.64, split .32, total 8.19
    4. 1st shot: 1.77, split .30, total: 8.19
    5. 1st shot: 1.58, split .35, total: 9.26 ( moved to 10 yards)
    6. 1st shot: 1.73, split .31, total: 8.66
    7. 1st shot: 1.88, split .33, total: 10.16 ( moved to 15 yards)
    8. 1st shot: 1.86, split.29, total: 8.82

    Post up what you got!!!!!


    For accuracy purposes. I used imga rules that two on paper were good but with a twist. I counted Alpha's and Charlies only. If I dropped a Delta or a Mike then I didnt record that one and ran the string again.
    Last edited by Jamesb74; 01-26-2012 at 11:26 PM.
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    Triple Nickel

    designed by a Dept of Homeland Security agency’s firearms training unit
    Range: 5yd
    Target: five Tran Star-II or QIT targets.
    Start position: holstered & concealed
    Rounds fired: 10
    Five targets are placed five yards from the shooter with at least 1.5 feet between each target.
    Shooter begins with weapon concealed. On the buzzer, shooter must draw and engage each target with two shots. After the first target is engaged but before the last target is engaged, the shooter must perform a reload.
    For a shot to count as a hit, it must be completely within the 4/5 scoring zones of a Tran Star-II target or within the bottle of a QIT target. Hits touching the line or outside the scoring zone are considered a miss.

    The drill is called the Triple Nickel because the agency uses a five second standard to complete the drill. Shooters who can successfully perform the drill in under five seconds three times in a row with 100% hits are awarded a special commemorative coin. That is a draw from concealment, a reload, and ten hits on a total of five targets in under five seconds!

    Special Thanks to Great Bison, Triple Nickel holder #7 for the write up.

    Here is a video of Bedrock shooting it at the academy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrm-L92VREE

    This is truly a stress drill, speed = stress, reload under stress, mutiple target engagement = stress. It is designed to mimic everything that can go wrong under stress. There are less than 100 coin holders currently.

    Bob Fangou coin holder #63
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    Smokin!!!!! So you are #63?
    And can this be done in a civilian setting and get the coin awarded or is this strictly DHS? Just curious.
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    Yes I am number 63 (we assign you a nickname once completed and when presented the coin). Anyone can do this but it must be verified by two coin holders to receive the coin. Which isnt all that difficult I mean there are about 100 of us lol. Two of us will be out at HTRs ranch this weekend.

    Btw two of the coin holders (one out of my office and one is a world champion IPSC can do this drill with three rounds on each target, lol just crazy.
    Last edited by sfsmedic; 01-27-2012 at 12:15 AM.

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    I guess I need a list of the coin holders to find a couple near by.

    I want this coin now!!!!

    If you take comparison to my ElPREs times I am almost there. 12 shots with mag change on 3 targets in under 9 seconds on average.

    Have fun at Chris's he puts on a good hunt. I need to get back out there this year.
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    I was informed today that coins are only for mil and LEOs as well as former mil and LEO's. Sorry.


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    This thread reminds me that they have to get me some freaking training ammo..... like yesterday.
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    Great idea for a thread! This is a great excuse to go ahead an buy a shot timer for practice. Oh yeah, and practice.

    I have a drill in mind but I need to work it with a timer first before I post it. I have no idea how long it actually takes me, but I have gotten faster (from turtle to sloth).

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    Haha, I love El Presidente drills. Your times drop lower and lower each time, and it's fun competing with your buddies. We do them at work with a shot timer (I'm ex-mil, now working as an armed officer at a nuclear plant). I started at the mid 7's and I'm currently in the low 6's. I've heard of 5's but we probably won't get there with stock Glocks and Blackhawk web gear.
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