Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x50 vs Nikon M223 3-12x42 w 6.8 turret

[Dude-Sweet]

Thanks for pointing that out. As I review the manual, I see that it is "assembled in the USA" as opposed to "proudly made in the USA" that pertains to the ACOGs, reflex sights, RMRs, Night Vision optics and Tripower units.

Correct...and no problem =)

An added piece of info...for those that might care... I am almost 100% positive that the same Japanese mfg. that makes NightForce's scopes is the same place the Accupoints are made...Along with a couple other high end scopes. For what that's worth.

[Sgt Litton]

A LITTLE MORE OF THE PICTURE AND SOME OPINION: Ya know for me, choosing a scope is difficult. I live very isolated (thank God) and can't run to a gun show or a dealer and check something out; that is why I am asking you guys, the pros, the users, those with user experience. I have to balance my needs and wants with what I am willing to pay. Some of you have several guns and several AR's and a hand full of different scopes, wow what a life you lead, congradulations but consider my life, I have one rifle, an AR 15 in 5.56 and a ARP 6.8 Upper comming. I already have more in this gun than I thought (about $2100 with the gun and new upper and a ARGold trigger). I really only want to buy one scope for this "million dollar project" and have a complete hunting system but when I ask for advise someone says, "Get the best." So I say ok. Then someone says M-223 is all you really need, so I say OK. Then someone says, well get a Nikon Monarch not an M-223. Then someone with something else. I use to work in sales and I learned that when someone buys something they usually praise it just to reassure themselves that they made a wise purchase, perhaps some of that is going on in the advise and perhaps some of you don't really need a scope at all. However for me the scope question has now become clouded. I am sure some of you guys could kill a deer with iron sights at 300 yards so why should I bother with a scope at all, you can do it, why can't I? Can I tell you? Becasue I can't see very well and I am hoping that a real good scope at killing distance I can distinguish what I am shooting at. Unfortuantely my vision problem glasses won't help, it is an injury to the lense. So I can either give up hunting or try to find a real good scope that I can use and enjoy hunting. I am not angry, just perplexed.

[jerdebson]

If it were me, I would go with the 2.5-10x56 Accupoint with the green dot. 10x should be plenty for the distances you are going to shoot.

I agree with Buddy here. I will do some "accuracy" shooting with one of my 8.5x25 Leupolds at some time but I have decided to use one of my old faithful 3.5x10x50 scopes on my 18" 6.8x43. We built two at the same time and my friend chose to go with a 4x16x44 30mm scope. The bigger/heavier scope/mount you go makes a light, fast handing weapon heavy and slow to me. I hope this doesn't help muddy up the water even more for you but you did ask. Surely you knew there would be at least two opinions for each post. Let us know what you decide on, by the way either of the scopes you listed will be great.

[Sgt Litton]

Yes I knew there would be many opinions and I continue to appreciate every one. I have a unique set of circumstnaces I am working with and I am trying to clarify my need in the hopes some can point me in the right direction. OK, Bigger is Better except it cost more and will make a light weight AR heavy. Good point! Real good point. I will take a look around again. I wrote all this stuff because I am sure there are others out there like me who aren't experts and aren't able to get all they want. I thought this would help me and perhaps someone else too. I take no offence at this just trying to clear up my needs. Thanks

[jerdebson]

I totally understand vision problems, I have them as well. I have nothing against big scopes, as I am that way also. Talking heavy , I have three custom 700s in 6mm-284 the heaviest being 22 lbs has an 8.5x25 Leupold. I have always wanted more scope than most and agree with your reasoning but I took a bigger scope off my 6.8 and love the 3.5x10x50 that it wears now. Sorry to have you think I was doing anything but making a suggestion that might compromise your needs/requirements. I do want to know what you decide on. Good luck on your adventure.

Also to clarify I am not an expert either. Just a shooter.

[treehugger49]

The plethora of choices you have, particularly for the AR platform, is both a blessing and a curse.... Making the choice is sometimes very difficult. Rest assured that whatever you choose, be it Trijicon, Nikon, Burris, Bushnell, Nightforce, etc., as long as it is a quality product it should serve you well. If it doesn't, take advantage of the warranty and send it back. Some will perform better than others, depending on your particular needs, but that is for you to decide.

Good luck in making that decision and don't let buyer's remorse diminish your enjoyment of your new rifle.

[Sgt Litton]

Now we understand why religion is so confusing? All this info has to be processed and that will take me some time. If I come into a great deal of money I will probably lug the weight of a Trijicon, if not I will probably get the Nikon Monarch. They sound like two good choices for me. I do appreciate all the help; I really do. I will have more questions in about a year when I get into reloading for the 6.8, but until then thanks to everyone, thanks really. God Bless you all.

[Ratdog68]

Now we understand why religion is so confusing? All this info has to be processed and that will take me some time. If I come into a great deal of money I will probably lug the weight of a Trijicon, if not I will probably get the Nikon Monarch. They sound like two good choices for me. I do appreciate all the help; I really do. I will have more questions in about a year when I get into reloading for the 6.8, but until then thanks to everyone, thanks really. God Bless you all.

Ask around how these compare to the Trijicon's clarity. I have the 2-7x32. The glass is very clear, and has very good light transmission as well. You mention being far from able to try them in the stores/shows. Well... consider (for the price) buying one of the 2-7 ones on close out to get an idea of the quality of the glass for the Viper series, and even sell it off when you've decided whether or not you find it suitable for your needs? If you like it, buy one of the ones more suited to the magnification you're looking for. At the price you'll pay for one, you should be able to recover nearly all (if not all) of your investment. Especially if you decide to sit on it until they're no longer available? (Just some food for thought).

Vortex Viper

[Dude-Sweet]

What Ratdog said seems like a pretty good idea to me.

I also have one of the Vortex Vipers in the link above. Compared side by side with the Accupoint, the Accupoint has clearer glass...but the Vortex is really good too. And for 150$ it is flat out amazing glass quality.

I am sure you could resell the Viper and recoup your cost + shipping... I showed mine to a buddy last weekend and he tried to buy it off me...LOL...so I ordered one up for him.

[redyak3]

I've got one of those 2-7 Vipers on the way as well, for <150, can't really lose. I'm happy with the 2.5-10x50 Vortex Crossfire on the 18. "Ignorance is Bliss" they say as I can't really drop the change for a expensive scope and the glass on the "low end" side of the Vortex family aint bad to these tired eyes.
Good luck.... high dollar purchases are always nerve wracking in this day and age.