go to bullet...what do yall think??

[dredge]

currently i'm shooting prohunters, but really thinking about tryin on hornady's 110 bthp's. since i'm not currently crimping i think having a cannelure may fix my flyer problem. also all the gel tests and some things i've read also leads me to beleive it would perform well on deer, coyotes and targets, which are mainly what i'll be shooting unless i find me a good place with some hogs on it. also i like the higher b.c. and boat tail design what do you guys think??? maybe i'm messing up by posting this since i haven't ordered any yet....


here's some stuff i gathered:

from docg at http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19884

"While both the Hornady 110 gr OTM and SSA 115 gr SMK OTM offer acceptable terminal performance, the Hornady projectile is more consistent."

"Hornady 110 gr OTM (loaded by Hornady) -- This is superb general purpose load and an exceptional projectile for military use. It has better glass performance than the 115 gr OTM."


article by zac smith http://demigod.org/~zak/archive/sgn_68spc.pdf.

"Hornady then used their expertise in computer modeling to find the best bullet design. The result was a 110-grain OTM bullet with a very sharp ogive; it appears almost as a spire point instead of a rounded curve to the bullet tip. The bullet was designed for improved terminal performance after passing through intermediate barriers, such as interior walls or car doors. This bullet is not designed for pure target-shooting performance; it sacrifices a slight edge in accuracy to designs like the Sierra MatchKing in favor of increased lethality. The BC of the new 110-grain OTM is 0.360."

and this little one from outdoor life

6.8 SPC For Whitetail Deer - 1
by Outdoor Life Online Editor
I don’t have any hunting experience with the 6.8 SPC, but it certainly has caught on with a small but devoted group of fans. One of them is Steve Johnson, who happens to work for Hornady and has quite a bit of field experience with the 6.8, mostly on hogs.
Johnson says the 110-gr. BTHP works very well on game, particularly at 6.8 SPC velocities. He said that bullet will expand reliably on deer-sized from point-blank ranges out to 200 yards.
“Impact velocity is the critical thing with that round. At 6.8 velocities that bullet will hold together very well. Drive it at .270 Winchester speeds, though, and that’s a different animal,” he said.
So as long as the bullet is exiting the muzzle at 2,500 fps, versus the 3,000 fps you’d see with a 130-gr. .270 round, this bullet should turn the lights out on any properly hit whitetail.

—John Snow


110 pro hunter-impact 2466fps, penetrated 12.5" and retained weight was 77grs.


110 hornady bthp - penetrated 16.75" and retained weight was 69grs. not sure about impact fps, but proly gonna be around the same as the prohunters

[Jamesb74]

Start with flash hole debburing and primer uniform and move from there. You could look at your necks and turn them or not. If you dont crimp the cannelure is not going to make a difference. The bullet entering into the bore as straight as possible is what makes the difference. And the powder getting an even light is what does it as well.

I would stick with the PH's myself. SMK's are designed to be match bullets and have filled a cross roll as a good-great 2 legged critter bullet. Still not convinced that this design is good for the 4 legged because it is not designed for that. That is why companies like Sierra and Berger ( one of the best in the industry) ) put disclaimers up that the SMK's are match bullets and not designed for hunting( not sure about Hornady. I know you can kill with them and people do but you can with a rock also and it is not the most suited projectile for it either.

[dredge]

Start with flash hole debburing and primer uniform and move from there. You could look at your necks and turn them or not. If you dont crimp the cannelure is not going to make a difference. The bullet entering into the bore as straight as possible is what makes the difference. And the powder getting an even light is what does it as well.

I would stick with the PH's myself. SMK's are designed to be match bullets and have filled a cross roll as a good-great 2 legged critter bullet. Still not convinced that this design is good for the 4 legged because it is not designed for that. That is why companies like Sierra and Berger ( one of the best in the industry) ) put disclaimers up that the SMK's are match bullets and not designed for hunting( not sure about Hornady. I know you can kill with them and people do but you can with a rock also and it is not the most suited projectile for it either.

i knew i would hear some things along this nature and is why i posted as much info and have been doing so much reading on the subject trying to confirm some things before i made my desision. i have done all of the brass prep you mentioned above and also like to consider myself an ethical hunter. a while back with my first batch of reloaded prohunters my die backed off some on a few and i didn't bump the shoulder far back enough...well on one of them that the bolt didn't close all the way on and got stuck....when i finally got it out the bullet was loose....so i figured i proly better start crimping. i do have some ssa factory prohunters that have crimp rings and are crimped that i need to try and see if that fix's it, but my wilson barrel doesn't like them as much as that i arp i used to have. those didn't have the crimp on them tho. maybe these newer rounds will shoot better....idk, i'll jst have to try them. i jst can't see how a bullet with simular results as the prohunters on gel will not perform as well on deer. heck they even look like they may even do a little better. i shoot sierra bthp gmk's out of most my other rifles and like them very much....but i understand that the hornady are not designed for hunting and the game kings are. that last article said that they do okay and was talking about a guy that uses them for hunting and that also works for hornady, but i don't have any experience with them either. most deer here in west texas are less then 12" thick for sure tho.

thanks for your honest opinion tho james....that's what i'm looking for.

[dredge]

pretty much what my decision is comming down too is my penetration tests aren't going to be as good as some that have already been done. so i gotta take what i read and see in pics kinda come to a decision to try them and then go out and shoot them into a couple of phone books. anybody actually use these before? i know that the v-max and tnt's have been proved to be pretty good deer and coyote bullets and even hogs......we're all adults here and i know this can get to be a touchy subject that's been covered before a time or two, but based on the info in first post tho what's some of yalls honest opinion between both the sierra prohunter and hornady 110bthp???

[Equalizer_2]

This from Hornady's website. The last line would seem to say that at least for deer it would be good can't say for anything larger until it is tested

Features:

• Streamlined design for ultra flat trajectories.
• Match grade jacket design provides maximum accuracy at all ranges.
• Explosive expansion, even at low velocities.

http://www.hornady.com/store/270-6.8...ith-Cannelure/

[dredge]

yeah, i seen that.....the explosive expansion even at low fps part doesn't really sound all that good to me tho. i don't think they're all that explosive tho. i think the tnt's would def. blow up more...especially at 3000fps and i've read of 1 or 2 guys having complete pass thrus at less then 100yrds.

[marinesg1012]

For accuracy I think the pro hunters would take it to be honest, they are a true .277 in diamiter and I honestly feel for less then 300 yards the flat base bullets shoot better. As far as use, obviously the pro hunters are designed for deer, if you want a better longer range bullet I would suggest the accubonds, I currently am using the 100 grain accubond as my do all round with my 16 inch carbine (hunting, self defense ect) and the 90 TNT's for pinking out of the 20 inch.

[Lucky]

For accuracy I think the pro hunters would take it to be honest, they are a true .277 in diamiter and I honestly feel for less then 300 yards the flat base bullets shoot better. As far as use, obviously the pro hunters are designed for deer, if you want a better longer range bullet I would suggest the accubonds, I currently am using the 100 grain accubond as my do all round with my 16 inch carbine (hunting, self defense ect) and the 90 TNT's for pinking out of the 20 inch.

dredge, ole friend, listen to what Adam is saying, nothing wrong with the 110 PH bullet, and it doesn't have to have a cannellure in order to crimp it. If you weren't such a tite-wad you'd buy a Lee FCD.

[Drifter]

Always interesting to try a different bullet, but like has been mentioned, if you're not crimping, the cannelure may not matter. Both bullets have been accurate in my AR. A light crimp might help to eliminate your flyers for either one. Also, measure a dozen or so bullets before reloading. Using the longest one, seat it to where it barely fits inside the mag. Then seat the rest and let COL fall where it does, as most (or all) should have a COL where mag fit isn't an issue. This will mean that each bullet will have the same jump to the lands. If simply using COL as a measuring tool, the jump to the lands can vary, especially with an exposed lead-tip bullet. The Sierra PH's length can vary by ~0.015" or more. Length varies on the Hornady BTHP's too, as the tip isn't the same on every bullet. Seat according to the ogive and not the tip, as I think you'll see more consistent accuracy.

[RugerIte]

What's more expensive?

The PH seems to be a true multi-purpose bullet that seems to be the most affordable.

The OTMs maybe great for two legged predators but if you want all round I think the PHs maybe better if your basing this on affordability and multi purpose rounds.

I love the 110 grain nosler accubond. For me it seems to be the best all round conventional bullet, but for economics I'll get the PH when the 110 Nosler Accubond isn't on sale. And I'm getting some 110 TSX also, my Mini 6.8 seems to like the 110 grainers...well also that's all I shot through it so far. Oops I used 115 Grain Remington FMJs first on a few foxes...