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bullseye_10X
08-19-2009, 09:46 PM
Per Widener's nomenclature;

QQQSR KVB-223 Small Rifle Primer

QQQSR223 KVB-223M Small Rifle Primer

QQQSRM KVB-556M Small Rifle Magnum Primer (for use in 5.56 loads)

Bullseye_10x

Eliminator
08-19-2009, 10:34 PM
Per Widener's nomenclature;

QQQSR KVB-223 Small Rifle Primer = Standard primer

QQQSR223 KVB-223M Small Rifle Primer = Harder cup and hotter


QQQSRM KVB-556M Small Rifle Magnum Primer (for use in 5.56 loads) = Same as standard but with a harder cup
Bullseye_10x
The consensus is get the QQQSR223 - thats what I have on order from Wideners previous batch.

Hope this helps.

EWP
08-20-2009, 03:31 AM
SR-Standard Primer

SRM-Harder Cup, Hotter primer; the magnum primers are hotter than the standard primers and the .223 primers

SR 223/5.56- standard primer, harder cup; the .223 primer may or may not be hotter than a standard primer but for sure not as hot as the magnum primer, they just took a std SR primer and gave it a harder cup and call it a .223 primer, it has been proven to be slower than the SRM primers so I bet it's the same as the std SR primer.

Bubba FAL
08-20-2009, 11:34 PM
Yep, the Wolf 5.56's are standard power primers with a hard cup. I've found them to be very consistent in both 6.8 and 5.56 loads.

An additional benefit is they tend to be a snug fit in the pocket, which is a good thing with some brands of brass.

Tim_W
08-21-2009, 06:39 AM
Thru all the accuracy testing and SD ES testing I found the 5.56 primers to be the most effective. This has also been confirmed by numerous people since I first starting telling people about the Wolf primers on here. It has the standard level charge but a harder brass cup. What ever you do do not use the standard small rifle primers as they use a softer cup that you will likely pierce with the AR firing pin setup.

bullseye_10X
08-21-2009, 08:54 PM
Thanks everyone. I missed a chance to pick up SR and SP primers as Wideners is now out of stock on small pistol. It looks though like they are starting to get Wolf in on a regular basis. Next time they have both, I'll pick some up.

Thanks
Bullseye_10x

Lucky
08-25-2009, 07:10 AM
QQQSRM KVB-556M Small Rifle Magnum Primer (for use in 5.56 loads) = Same as standard but with a harder cup
Bullseye_10x
The consensus is get the QQQSR223 - thats what I have on order from Wideners previous batch.This was posted by Eliminator.

Guys, I'm still a little confused about the Wolf primers, so please bear with me as I'm sincerely asking for clarification about the new Wolf primmer..
From Wideners website: SMALL RIFLE 223 (part # QQQSR223) NEW NEW This is the newest primer available in the Wolf line. It is ever so slightly hotter than the small rifle magnum primer and it comes with a brass colored thick cup. This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite.

A post from Widerners on ARFCOM: Originally Posted By team_oops:
I am wondering if I could get some advice on an order I just placed? I purchased a bunch of QQQSRM primers. A few hours later, I saw that you guys have something new, which is listed as SMALL RIFLE 223 part # QQQSR223. I am going to be reloading hot .223 and 5.56 pressure reloads with mostly H335 powder. I am wondering if I should have purchased QQQSR223 instead of QQQSRM?

And their response : Originally Posted By WRSSI:
EVERYONE READ THIS PLEASE:

You ordered the correct primers for the AR Part # QQQSRM, These are just slightly warmer than the standard small rifle primers, but they have the harder cup to help prevent slam fires. No change in load data is needed to compensate for this primer.

The part # QQQSR223 Is a FULL BLOWN MAGNUM PRIMER and should only be used on loads that call for the use of a Magnum Primer. This can be confusing because of the packaging, the True HOT magnum Primers say 223 on the inner packaging or KVB-223M on the outter 5k case, and the 5.56 primers say Small Rifle Magnum on the inner packaging or KVB-5.56 on the outer 5k case. We had no control over what the packaging says, only in how it is worded on the advertising..

When you order the QQQSR223 from Wideners the item # in your cart is--QQQSR223-KVB223M------So this tells me that these primers must be hotter, as they say it's FULL BLOWN MAGNUM PRIMER..Am I reading too much into this ? Is this primer suitable for 6.8 & 223 ? Just use it and start off with reduced loads or don't worry about ? Any and all advice will be greatly appreciated..
Robert

paulosantos
08-25-2009, 09:32 AM
SMALL RIFLE PRIMER (part # QQQSR) - Used as a standard small rifle primer. Perfect for the 30 carbine and 223 standard loads. Many people use this primer in bench and other loads for the 223. This primer is a copper colored primer.

SMALL RIFLE MAGNUM PRIMER (part# QQQSRM) - This is the primer we had before for use in the 5.56 loads and hot 223 loads. A thick cup for the higher pressure. We sold a lot of these primers earlier this year. The new lot is brass colored instead of nickel.

SMALL RIFLE 223 (part # QQQSR223) NEW NEW This is the newest primer available in the Wolf line. It is ever so slightly hotter than the small rifle magnum primer and it comes with a brass colored thick cup. This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite.

The SMALL RIFLE MAGNUM PRIMER (part# QQQSRM) or the SMALL RIFLE 223 (part # QQQSR223) NEW NEW are the better choices. I didn't notice much of a difference.

http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=278|284|737

Lucky
08-25-2009, 02:17 PM
SMALL RIFLE PRIMER (part # QQQSR) - Used as a standard small rifle primer. Perfect for the 30 carbine and 223 standard loads. Many people use this primer in bench and other loads for the 223. This primer is a copper colored primer.

SMALL RIFLE MAGNUM PRIMER (part# QQQSRM) - This is the primer we had before for use in the 5.56 loads and hot 223 loads. A thick cup for the higher pressure. We sold a lot of these primers earlier this year. The new lot is brass colored instead of nickel.

SMALL RIFLE 223 (part # QQQSR223) NEW NEW This is the newest primer available in the Wolf line. It is ever so slightly hotter than the small rifle magnum primer and it comes with a brass colored thick cup. This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite.

The SMALL RIFLE MAGNUM PRIMER (part# QQQSRM) or the SMALL RIFLE 223 (part # QQQSR223) NEW NEW are the better choices. I didn't notice much of a difference.

http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=278|284|737

What you say makes sense to me, because I trust your testing results, it appeared Wideners was warning folks that the packing description didn't match the intended content of the item..And I'm NOT picking on Wideners because I happen to use them and they have always provided good service.. It's just been one of those weeks, ever have one ?
Thanks again,
Robert

Magnumwideglide
08-27-2009, 01:43 AM
I have SSA LR brass. What's the top 2 primers for 6.8? I load 90 gr TNT's, 110 PH, and 130 Sierras.

Bubba FAL
08-28-2009, 01:13 AM
I use CCI #34 primers for all military rifle cartridges with a large primer (6.8, 7.62x39, .308, .30-06, 7.92, etc.).

These have a harder cup for protection against slam fires when fired in autoloaders with floating firing pins.