The last few culls of the year...shot with 6.8 of course

[HTR]

This is my client's 8 point Cull buck taken last weekend. We are killing all the 3.5 and 4.5 year old 8 pointers now, since we have so many 10's and 12's on the ranch.

This one was shot with a 6.8 SPC, AR Performance 20" 12 twist, 3 groove, using a Sierra Pro Hunter 110 grain soft point, over 32 grains of H322. This is a very hot load, and only these types of barrels will handle something like 32 grains....so be careful if you load anything this hot. This gun prints these loads at .75 MOA.

This deer was hit in the heart, the exit was the size of a ping pong ball, and it left a huge blood trail running only about 20 yards.

http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/dkred5854/DSCF4002.jpg

[marinesg1012]

Nice kill

[HTR]

Adam,

I am really hoping to put a UBR on that rifle. Do you know of anyone that has them??

[ccoker]

nice
32 grains?
wow, that's a HEAVILY compressed load
30g is definitely compressed

[HTR]

Yeah, I originally loaded that to see just how high we could push pressures in the pressure trace test. Once that test was over, Tim and I looked through the data and we agreed that I needed to shelve them (or break them apart), since my Cardinal barrels were right on the ragged edge of pressure at around 60,000 PSI. I wasn't going to shoot these loads through those Cardinal barrels any more. I would either have 1) dropped the charge by 1/2 grain or 2) waited until I got a barrel that could handle them, heheh :twisted:

I knew that Constructor and I would be building a 12/3 with shallower lands and DMR chamber to test the theory that this load was not beyond the limit of pressure with such a barrel.

It is not. The cases do not show swipes. It comes out of the 20" barrel at 2865 FPS and shoots a 0.75" group. It makes a wicked hole through a deer, believe me.

I don't want anyone here to think that:

1) I am crazy

2) that this is a load that you should just go out and try without carefully testing your barrel

Compression of powder in the 105-107% range always exposes you to some element of risk, but H322 is the most compressible powder I have yet found, and the pressure curve seems to be quite predictable even when compressed to these levels.

Carry on....but please use all due caution.

[marinesg1012]

Adam,

I am really hoping to put a UBR on that rifle. Do you know of anyone that has them??

No I dont... I am trying to get a few on hand from a guy I work with that knows the magpul guys so we will see if I get more then one I will send it your way....

Just keep looking is all I can say I want a few more for builds also.

[Bimjo]

Mine's been on back order for almost 3 months. With my luck my son will be able to install and use my UBR after I die of old age waiting for it.

I'm usually not one to bad mouth a company, but the Magpul business model baffles me completely. Announce a product, wait 2 years to release it (if ever), make 500 of it, then don't make any more for a year or so. Just about the time everybody decides to move on you release another 500, just to keep interest piqued.

Meh!

[ArtFWTx]

"CULLING"? :?: Why didn't I think of that. Great, so I can just tell the game warden I'm culling the heard when he asks about th 8pt buck laying in my truck two months after deer season closes!! :roll:

Thanks Chris. :lol:

[HTR]

"CULLING"? :?: Why didn't I think of that. Great, so I can just tell the game warden I'm culling the heard when he asks about th 8pt buck laying in my truck two months after deer season closes!! :roll:

Thanks Chris. :lol:



Yuk, Yuk Yuk :lol: I know that Art was joking and saying this tongue-in-cheek, but:

Ok, Ok, just for the record, so that everyone knows, and so no one here (like some jackass did on ARFcom) says "hey man, you shot a deer out of season, and posted it on the internet??!!"....

I am on Level 3 TPWD management, which means that, by way of collaboration with the department, I earned the privilege of two extra months of deer season to harvest does, spikes and culls on my ranch. That is, I had to keep records of age, extract jaws from the deer, collect brainstem samples for CWD, and weigh each deer shot. I had to fly in a helicopter and count deer in the area each year for the last 8, and then write up reports for TPWD. Only after reporting to the department for these years, and then qualifying , taking tests, and showing my food plts and deer stats to the biologists was I granted the ability to set my own harvest regs.

My deer "season" ends this coming Sunday.

I also started a wildlife co-op, encompassing 25,000 acres, and I am now the active Vice-President, after serving the first ever 3 year term, as President of the new entity. All of our land is free- range, low fenced, and managed for what we can get from the land itself. Nothing is genetically engineered there.

Have I mentioned I LOVE Texas!

[ArtFWTx]

Sorry Chris.. I didn't mean for you to have to write a report for us. I meant no challenge to you whatsoever. I was being a smart ass, which is one of my talents by the way.

I figured you were participating in some TPWD program. However, I did enjoy the write up and details you provided. My hat is off to you and other landowners working with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. That's a great program. I'd like to learn more about it sometime.

[jasonpeterson]

Great info on deer management. AWESOME data on your upper from AR Performance!!!!

[marinesg1012]

Chris can go on for a while about management :D :D :D

[ccoker]

"CULLING"? :?: Why didn't I think of that. Great, so I can just tell the game warden I'm culling the heard when he asks about th 8pt buck laying in my truck two months after deer season closes!! :roll:

Thanks Chris. :lol:



Yuk, Yuk Yuk :lol: I know that Art was joking and saying this tongue-in-cheek, but:

Ok, Ok, just for the record, so that everyone knows, and so no one here (like some jackass did on ARFcom) says "hey man, you shot a deer out of season, and posted it on the internet??!!"....

I am on Level 3 TPWD management, which means that, by way of collaboration with the department, I earned the privilege of two extra months of deer season to harvest does, spikes and culls on my ranch. That is, I had to keep records of age, extract jaws from the deer, collect brainstem samples for CWD, and weigh each deer shot. I had to fly in a helicopter and count deer in the area each year for the last 8, and then write up reports for TPWD. Only after reporting to the department for these years, and then qualifying , taking tests, and showing my food plts and deer stats to the biologists was I granted the ability to set my own harvest regs.

My deer "season" ends this coming Sunday.

I also started a wildlife co-op, encompassing 25,000 acres, and I am now the active Vice-President, after serving the first ever 3 year term, as President of the new entity. All of our land is free- range, low fenced, and managed for what we can get from the land itself. Nothing is genetically engineered there.

Have I mentioned I LOVE Texas!


that's awesome to hear
good work man

[md20c]

"CULLING"? :?: Why didn't I think of that. Great, so I can just tell the game warden I'm culling the heard when he asks about th 8pt buck laying in my truck two months after deer season closes!! :roll:

Thanks Chris. :lol:



Yuk, Yuk Yuk :lol: I know that Art was joking and saying this tongue-in-cheek, but:

Ok, Ok, just for the record, so that everyone knows, and so no one here (like some jackass did on ARFcom) says "hey man, you shot a deer out of season, and posted it on the internet??!!"....

I am on Level 3 TPWD management, which means that, by way of collaboration with the department, I earned the privilege of two extra months of deer season to harvest does, spikes and culls on my ranch. That is, I had to keep records of age, extract jaws from the deer, collect brainstem samples for CWD, and weigh each deer shot. I had to fly in a helicopter and count deer in the area each year for the last 8, and then write up reports for TPWD. Only after reporting to the department for these years, and then qualifying , taking tests, and showing my food plts and deer stats to the biologists was I granted the ability to set my own harvest regs.

My deer "season" ends this coming Sunday.

I also started a wildlife co-op, encompassing 25,000 acres, and I am now the active Vice-President, after serving the first ever 3 year term, as President of the new entity. All of our land is free- range, low fenced, and managed for what we can get from the land itself. Nothing is genetically engineered there.

Have I mentioned I LOVE Texas!

Wow, you lucky sob! I'm a pretty fortunate individual and do not get jealous easily....but dang, this makes me a little jealous :lol:

Sounds like a lot of work but you can't beat the reward. 2 extra months of deer season, sweet.

Texas is numero uno out of 48 imo.

[Cold]

Have I mentioned I LOVE Texas!


Sir, I love Texas too, I hope to get back there some day sooner then later. I think however it may be longer then I anticipated.

[joequick]

All of our land is free- range, low fenced, and managed


I'm sure that's important. However, I was driving the backroads one day in Tennessee and came across a herd of white tails standing in the road. I stopped to watch. Finally, the deer decided to scram. One of them jumped an 8 ft. (estimated) chain link fence without any sign of effort.

[Jamesb74]

Some of the high fence ranches here start with a 10' high fence and go up. When they say high fence they mean it. I make an effort to never hunt these.



Don't take to long Cold. We could use you here.

[HTR]

The whole "high fence - low fence" thing is a huge bone of contention among many hunters. I gave up arguing it and trying to sway people toward my way of thinking, but I put my energy into forming this co-op, and it has been great. We all decided we did not want high fences, but rather cooperation and a common management style.

I have decided that I don't ever want one on my land, that they make for artificial microenvironments and that if you can't manage a natural gene pool without fences, you probably aren't that good at deer management.

All that having been said, if you don't have a co-op of like-minded people around you, and instead they shoot young bucks, and won't kill does, then you will end up with the unenviable position of having to live inside a huge mote and that just sucks.

I pity those people and the way they have to hunt, I don't disparage them.