trigger upgrade?

[ccoker]

thinking of upgrading my RR NM triggers in my 6.8 and 5.56
maybe...
considering going to a "better" adjustable trigger, perhaps a singlestage, perhaps the JARD

my bolt actions I set at 2lbs (sako and Tikka)
neither of my ARs are for defense use.....

recommendations?

[Colohunter]

I have the Jard 3lb trigger in my 300 Whisper. I like it so far, only shot about 100 rounds through it since I installed it. But it sure is nice compared to a factory pull.

I am thinking about using a JP Enterprises trigger/hammer kit in my next lower build.

[ArtFWTx]

Most guys post about upgrading their stock triggers for a two stage like RRA, LMT, etc. Now you want to upgrade your RRA trigger. :lol: :lol:

Bill Springfield upgrades 2-stage triggers for $35. So he would improve your RRA triggers. Here's the link.
http://triggerwork.net/ar15s.html

My next two LPK's will have their triggers sent to Bill Springfield. Everyone who has his trigger job loves them. $35 a trigger is cheap compared to replacing a trigger.

If you want to switch them out completely, Geissele and Timney would be two triggers that come to mind.

[Lonzo]

Most guys post about upgrading their stock triggers for a two stage like RRA, LMT, etc. Now you want to upgrade your RRA trigger. :lol: :lol:

Bill Springfield upgrades 2-stage triggers for $35. So he would improve your RRA triggers. Here's the link.
http://triggerwork.net/ar15s.html

My next two LPK's will have their triggers sent to Bill Springfield. Everyone who has his trigger job loves them. $35 a trigger is cheap compared to replacing a trigger.

If you want to switch them out completely, Geissele and Timney would be two triggers that come to mind.

Ditto on the Bill Springfield Trigger Job. He just finished my 3# trigger job for my Stag 6.8 Lower. I was able to slap on my .223 upper, to test the trigger, and all went well. Great work Bill does, and well worth the $$$ at $50.00

Lonzo

[angsniper]

+1 on Bill Springfield. He's done a couple of triggers for me and I'm happy with them. I have a 3# and a 4#.

[ccoker]

OK
so, I have been very happy and content with the RR NM triggers

here's why I am asking:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6093 (http://www.68forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6093)

[joshuades]

OK
so, I have been very happy and content with the RR NM triggers

here's why I am asking:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6093 (http://www.68forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6093)

That's what happens when you don't know what you're doing. I turned my first RRA NM into a single stage trigger by polishing the contact surfaces too much (trying to get that oh so slick trigger pull). When I was done, I had a very smooth single stage trigger. I fixed it by filing at the lip that holds the hammer hold back sear, bringing it back up to meet the hammer protrusion and making it two stage again (as the second stage on RRA NM fire control group is achieved by the hammer touching the hammer hold back sear, which is what provides that extra resistance at the end of the pull), but I probably wasted about 1000 cycles trying to make it better. I'm a sucker for modifying things, so when this one wears out I will most likely get another one and do it again (with the advantage of hindsight and better understanding).

[ArtFWTx]

OK
so, I have been very happy and content with the RR NM triggers

here's why I am asking:

http://www.68forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6093

That's what happens when you don't know what you're doing. I turned my first RRA NM into a single stage trigger by polishing the contact surfaces too much (trying to get that oh so slick trigger pull). When I was done, I had a very smooth single stage trigger. I fixed it by filing at the lip that holds the hammer hold back sear, bringing it back up to meet the hammer protrusion and making it two stage again (as the second stage on RRA NM fire control group is achieved by the hammer touching the hammer hold back sear, which is what provides that extra resistance at the end of the pull), but I probably wasted about 1000 cycles trying to make it better. I'm a sucker for modifying things, so when this one wears out I will most likely get another one and do it again (with the advantage of hindsight and better understanding).

I can see myself doing the same thing. I have done "minor" polishing on the contact surfaces but so far I haven't really thrown things off. Once a friend showed me a Bill Springfield trigger, I decided that is definitely $35-50 well spent.

I know you can get a White Oak Armament tuned RRA trigger. They are supposed to be outstanding renditions of RRA triggers. ADCO sells them too.

[Colohunter]

I've got a DPMS trigger setup sitting around that came out of a LPK. Could I send that to Bill Springfield to be reworked, or does it have to be a higher end trigger? If he could do the DPMS, that would be a pretty low cost option.

[ArtFWTx]

I've got a DPMS trigger setup sitting around that came out of a LPK. Could I send that to Bill Springfield to be reworked, or does it have to be a higher end trigger? If he could do the DPMS, that would be a pretty low cost option.

Absolutely!! Bill Springfield trigger jobs are most noticeable in standard triggers. Hit his website for details. My next two LPK triggers are going to him. You can search on ARFCOM and find several long threads where shooters are impressed with their Springfield triggers, and some of the guys have thousands of rounds on them which gives you some idea they are reliable.

[Colohunter]

I might give that a shot on my next lower. I had thought it seemed like a waste to get the trigger parts in the LPK, then put them in a box so I could use a trigger that I bought extra for a bunch of money. Since I've got the trigger parts sitting around I may have that done and waiting for the next lower.

I was looking through the website and that is quite the deal. $40 to get a 4lb trigger and modified to a speed hammer, and return postage paid sounds good to me.

[ccoker]

I was perfectly happy with the RR NM trigger...
if I change it to something else I need to do the same for the 5.56
I want them both the same

[angsniper]

He also gives a miltary discount. :D

[marinesg1012]

I just ordered 2 4lb's from him, I shot HTR's rifle and liked the trigger.... I wish the timney would work but until I start reloading and use softer primers i will use the 4lb mil trigger.

[bullseye_10X]

I have 3 RRA lowers, each with the 2 stage national match trigger. Each trigger is different. Fortunately, the trigger on my Predator Pursuit with the A2 buttstock is by far the best. I would never want to mess with it. The one I have my AR Performance upper on now however, is not near as good. I think I will remove it and send it in to Mr. Springfield to see what he does for it.

Bullseye_10x

[ccoker]

I just sent an email inquiring about the availiabilty of the 3lb

[ron169]

Im definately planning on sending my RRA stock trigger to get the 4# upgrade.

[Strawdawg]

I sent two off today. :)

[olemiss]

I have had four trigger groups worked on by Bill Springfield. One is the 3 lb and three are the 4 lb jobs. The 3 lb actually breaks at 2.25 lbs, and will not ignite hard primers, but will set off standard Winchester SR primers. The 4 lb triggers break at 4.5 to 4.75 lbs, and will ignite hard primers. All the triggers are crisp. The best trigger I have is a JP and it breaks at 3.5 lbs and ignites hard primers, but it is $200 installed.

[ccoker]

I have been very happy with the RR NM triggers in both my guns
this trigger replacement / perhaps "upgrade" quest has had me doing a lot of research

one thing stands out:
the Geiselle trigger

I don't want to spend almost 300 bucks on the adjustable and am looking for the non adjustable SSA
I think I am going to stick with a 2 stage, I want both of my ARs to have the same trigger type and feel
the SSA should be about like the RR NM but with a crisper break from what I have been reading and perhaps a shorter reset.

If I can't find one I have also sent an email to WOA about a tuned RR NM

[paulosantos]

I've been very happy with the reliability of my WOA tuned RRA. ADCO or WOA sells them.

[DDriller]

I currently have a RR NM trigger. a WOA tuned NM trigger, and Geiselle DMR triggers. The RR NM trigger does a good job and the WA tuned is definitely an upgrade. Hands down the Geiselle is the best trigger IMO. As soon as I finish getting the uppers in that I want I will replace all my triggers with the Geiselles(need 4 more). IMO spending an extra $150 on a trigger in well worth the money. I could spend it on an upgraded stocks but prefer the triggers.

[ccoker]

Geiselle SSA ordered
White Oak Armory had one left from a shipment that came in yesterday

[ron169]

Well judging by the posts in this thread, Im sure we will be seeing a couple RRA NM triggers for sale shortly

[Alloy Snake]

Jard offers a trigger with a weighted hammer,Thats what I went with and I have had no fail to fires.Works well and trigger pull is dead on with no creep.

[ccoker]

I looked at the Jards but I found too many reports of people having issues, reviews on Midway, google searches, etc..
glad yours is working fine....

[azcowboy]

Are there issues with the Timney trigger and hard primers???? I have reloaded but only with Winchester primers. If I get the Wolf 223 primers am I going to have misfires?? Is there a fix for it. I reallly love the feel of my single stage Timney.

Rhett in AZ

[marinesg1012]

I had no issues with the hornandy or Rem ammo, I had issues with SSA ammo... Art says it is becuase of his milspec primers... I called TImney and they are sending me another hammer to try so I will update when I get a chance to test it.

[Gambrinus]

Some good info on AR triggers - http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=12170

[Tim_W]

The timney when used with the heavier hammer has worked with even the rock hard primers. You may actually want to check your firing pin protrusion from the bolt face. I have a Timney comp trigger 2.5lbs and I have yet to have a single misfire and I use nothing but WOLF primers which are just as hard as 41s. I have also used 41s and shot plenty of SSA ammo. I think slight variations in geometry of the lower and upper fit after all if the upper is loose to the lower or sits slightly dif this can have effects. Alss with hard primers if they are not completely seated fully on the primer pocket face they will not crush the anvils and ignite the primers. This will be true of any one using the 41 or WOLFs. Everything is a trade off. You want to ensure no slam fires that means loading and firing pin protrusion are more critical as well as hammer energy delivered.

[azcowboy]

Thanks for the input Tim, what do you mean by heavier hammer. I currently have a 3lb shelton trigger unit I bought several years ago that I have never had issues with. But I have only shot Hornady or my handloads that had Winchester small primers which everyone says are too soft. Do I need to contact Timney and see what they can do for me they are a local company. I read in another thread that you should use the AR10 unit if you plan on shooting hard primers. Will that unit fit in an AR 15 lower??

Rhett in Az