View Full Version : I watched a cotter pin fall from a young mans rifle when the dust cover opened today.
Munkie667
08-30-2011, 06:25 PM
As stated in the title. I picked up the pin and told the young gentleman that he dropped this pin. He came back with "no I didn't". He said more, but that is neither here nor there. I tried to explain that it is apart of his bolt carrier group, and very important to the operation of his rifle. He shot back with, "I have field stripped my rifle more times then I can count. And that don't have nothing to do with my bolt carrier group." So I walked away. I found his Sergeant and told him that one of his Privates will have a rough time on the next trip to the range. He just laughed and pocketed the pin.
It really blows my mind that this conversation turned out this way.
Hmm ***Cotter***
As stated in the title. I picked up the pin and told the young gentleman that he dropped this pin. He came back with "no I didn't". He said more, but that is neither here nor there. I tried to explain that it is apart of his bolt carrier group, and very important to the operation of his rifle. He shot back with, "I have field stripped my rifle more times then I can count. And that don't have nothing to do with my bolt carrier group." So I walked away. I found his Sergeant and told him that one of his Privates will have a rough time on the next trip to the range. He just laughed and pocketed the pin.
It really blows my mind that this conversation turned out this way.
No good deed goes unpunished....
silviacrazed
08-30-2011, 07:17 PM
Can't wait for the moment the sergeant lays into him at the range on why his weapon is malfunctioning.
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More than likely if he isn't firing it, the firing pin will fall back, allowing the cam pin to work its way crooked in the cutout, and the bolt will be stuck in the locked position. Whoops.
CodeRed30
08-30-2011, 10:04 PM
The quality of the NCO corps these days is absurdly poor...
angsniper
08-31-2011, 08:21 AM
I wonder how the cotter pin came out? Surely the military doesn't have left handed M16's. The cotter pin is on the left side of the carrier, opposite the dust cover.
IrishTN
08-31-2011, 08:57 AM
I wonder how the cotter pin came out? Surely the military doesn't have left handed M16's. The cotter pin is on the left side of the carrier, opposite the dust cover.
L/H? Not for general service that I know of, but if "Snuffy" was screwing around with his weapon when he wasn't supposed to be anything can happen.
Only way I can figger is he was fooling with his bolt and forgot to reinsert the cotter and it fell. OPPPSSSS!!!!
Munkie667
08-31-2011, 06:23 PM
I wonder how the cotter pin came out? Surely the military doesn't have left handed M16's. The cotter pin is on the left side of the carrier, opposite the dust cover.
Your guess is a good as mine. I really think the kid was one of the dimmer bulbs in the box. I think he really messed up his BCG and did not want to admit it. His NCO did not act surprised that this happened to Private (not real name) Piles. So I am guessing he is a problem child.
2006highsierra
09-03-2011, 09:24 AM
Nothin like some of the highly skilled low speed high-drags we have serving these days. On a recent training operation I had one of the guys put on my team come up to me with a weapon failure. His M4 had the bolt locked tight in the chamber and didn't want to come loose but it was just far enough back you couldnt pull the take down pin and open it up either. finally I got pissed put it buttstock down and stomped the charging handle which freed it up....the problem you ask?....well the day before when cleaning it he decided to put the drawstring from his ACU pants into the action and release the bolt to "see what it'd do". Unknown to him the bolt sheared off part of the draw string and wrapped up ahead of the locking lugs and when the bolt went forward and rotated it pretty much put him out of action. Needless to say though, the rest of his day wasn't very pleasant. It's just ashame he can't re-earn his PV-1 fuzzy patch.
sfsmedic
09-03-2011, 09:44 AM
Hmm being a past NCO the thing that stands out worst tone in this whole thread is his attitude. Worst yet that it didn't get squashed then and there.
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Ratdog68
09-03-2011, 11:24 AM
Gotta love a good train wreck.
ac6916170
09-03-2011, 01:57 PM
When I was in if a young trooper talked back to an NCO the whole platoon was punnished. That night the offender was meeted out punishment by the rest of the platoon. I was one of 5 enlistees the rest were all draftees and we had a good cross section of Americans. Worked out quite well. I say bring back the draft.
Munkie667
09-06-2011, 09:56 AM
Hmm being a past NCO the thing that stands out worst tone in this whole thread is his attitude. Worst yet that it didn't get squashed then and there.
I am no longer a NCO. As a civilian instructor all I can do is bring the stupid to the attention of a NCO and leave it in his or her hands.
sfsmedic
09-06-2011, 10:17 AM
Didn't mean you munkie. Meant his NCO. Sucks that they stripped that power from you though. You ever talked back or smarted off to one of our instructors (civilian or not) you were screwed.
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constructor
10-30-2011, 12:53 PM
I am no longer a NCO. As a civilian instructor all I can do is bring the stupid to the attention of a NCO and leave it in his or her hands.
You should hear what I hear on a daily basis, some just can't be helped.
Munkie667
10-30-2011, 01:33 PM
You should hear what I hear on a daily basis, some just can't be helped.
I am sure you could write a book.
chasw
10-30-2011, 02:54 PM
The quality of the NCO corps these days is absurdly poor...
fyi, it wasn't really any better in the old brown boot Army. Some of them were illiterate grade-school drop outs. - CW
sfsmedic
10-30-2011, 09:26 PM
Glad I never did regular mil stuff. I was fortunate to always work with top performers.
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infidel\crusader
10-30-2011, 10:14 PM
Well the surge and just recruiters in general enlist some real heroes that you just are stuck with till they sellall their gear for crack money and pop hot. The ucmj hamstrings us from ****canning the losers in a timly manor. Meanwhile you gotta train for war.....
IrishTN
10-30-2011, 10:18 PM
O-k, things are/better today /worse. I'm of the mind that the 90's ARMY had it the WORST! We had to flush out the MRE's We started the flush on Religion and we had to deal with the start up on the "New Army." Anyone who is newschool had to endure what I did in testing.. It Sucked! The worst and it was, having to incoperate a prayer hour. Then figuring out "appropriate" meals. ETC.. I',m sorry t9o any Muslim here. You all have rules that benifit you and nobody else. The whole able to lie to any non-muslim pi$$es me off to no end. We deal with you truthfully. Jewdeism does too. Yet you may deal a second face to any and all if they are not muslim. Guess they got the whole haggle thing from that.
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